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for the sake of argument. liz

a friend posted a note about prop 8 on facebook. he's telling his friends why he thinks they should vote "no". (for the ppl who arent in the US, prop 8 is about eliminating right of same-sex couples to marry). a friend of his explained why she voted "yes". i disagree so i commented. i know this discussion will go nowhere as she already voted "yes" and i definitely will vote "no" (which reminds me... i should fill out and send my absentee ballot... i know, i know). but i like to argue for the sake of argument lol

also, when in an argument, i like to see both sides and try to understand them. i may not agree. but i'm open to hearing what they have to say. but no matter how hard i look and try... i cannot seem to understand why anyone would disagree with gay marriage.

i'm confused.

btw, she called me "liz" in a response. for the ppl that dont know, i HATE being called liz. like wtf? it clearly states Eliza. not eLIZa. why are you calling me liz?! sigh.

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_ifthisisit
Oct. 30th, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
I don't care if gay ppl get married but they want to teach it in schools and make ANY church marry gay ppl, which I think are both wrong.
arnogseel
Oct. 30th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
prop 8 is only about gay marriages. it says nothing about teaching it in school.

http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/title-sum/prop8-title-sum.htm

it doesnt say that if this does not pass, we will force schools to teach it. nor does it say churches have to adapt.

every ad that says vote "yes" no prop 8 is wrong. i've seen them. "it's only a matter of time" "pass this now or this is next" they are trying to scare ppl. none of it is true.
_ifthisisit
Oct. 30th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
well my boyfriends mom gave him something to read about prop 8 and in it they talked about teachin it in schools and the church thing. so who knows what's true and what is not.
arnogseel
Oct. 30th, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC)
the link i gave you is the official prop site. to confirmed, i asked my friend, who works for the senator, to send me the link. it's the same link. this information is the same on the ballots and booklets that the gov send ppl.

on this link, there is NOTHING on it that say anything about forcing schools or church to do anything they dont want.

you can read the rebuttal here: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm

Don’t be tricked by scare tactics.

* PROP. 8 DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS

There’s NOT ONE WORD IN 8 ABOUT EDUCATION. In fact, local school districts and parents—not the state—develop health education programs for their schools.

NO CHILD CAN BE FORCED, AGAINST THE WILL OF THEIR PARENTS, TO BE TAUGHT ANYTHING about health and family issues. CALIFORNIA LAW PROHIBITS IT.

And NOTHING IN STATE LAW REQUIRES THE MENTION OF MARRIAGE IN KINDERGARTEN!
basicstories
Oct. 31st, 2008 09:59 pm (UTC)
Schools can't teach anything about marriage. But Prop 8 does make it so schools have to acknowledge it and accept it which some people cannot accept. Also it's different for various states.

Actually, the truth to prop 8 all boils down to money and benefits that a sanctioned marriage provides. It's not even about marriage, it's about the legal aspects of it. Gay people just want the same benefits straights couples get. Perosnally I don't see anything wrong with that.
dudum7
Oct. 31st, 2008 01:06 am (UTC)
hey...um...not sure if ur vote will still count since if u voting absentee ur vote need to be in by tuesday...which mean it should already have been mailed out...check that out since i think the ballot must be RECEIVED and not postmarked by this coming tuesday!

if that is true i suggest going to the poll to vote...and bring your absentee ballot with you.
arnogseel
Oct. 31st, 2008 06:29 am (UTC)
yep. it needs to be received by tuesday. i just need to send it out like.. tomorrow lol

and if i dont, i do plan to go to the poll to vote. (actually i did that the past couple of times -___- i kept forgetting to send it in lol)
gxcad
Oct. 31st, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
Sometimes people call me Kenny or Kent.

Its not Ken as in short for Kenny or Kenneth, it really is just 'Ken'. Not everyone has a name that is shortened from a longer one. Eliza is not short for Elizabeth. Same story.

But I don't really mind being called Kenny.

However, I find it annoying to be called Kent. So I always tell them "Ken like Ken and Barbie". It really works good.
arnogseel
Oct. 31st, 2008 10:46 pm (UTC)
i understand why they would call you "Kent," they could've heard wrong.

that's weird, to call you kenny lol bc yeah, why would one assume your name is short for something? you introduced yourself as "ken" meaning even if it is short for something, you prefer to be called "ken." which is why you introduced yourself that way. it's just odd why they would assume...

i dunno, i just dont like to be called liz

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